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Linux-Activists Digest #734, Volume #3            Mon, 7 Dec 92 23:45:10 EST

Contents:
  Re: Do X-Windows use the math-coprocessor? (Peter MacDonald)
  Can't mount my hard drive... BIG PROBLEM! (Dan Newcombe)
  any1 find that networking is still volatile???? (Matthew A. Lewis)
  Conference Unix Et Linux (Joe Klemmer)
  New Users plea for guidance (Gary Pfeffer)
  Re: LINUX/386BSD Hardware FAQ (R. Ramesh)
  Re: Macintosh format disks (Jean Liddle)
  status of QIC-80? (Mark B. Alston)
  Re: Macintosh format disks (Jeff Randall)
  Need settings for MS InPort mouse in Xconfig, please !! (Stephen Heilbronner)
  ast fourport prices ("david shadoff")
  Re: Proposal for debug Xlinux.8514 (Greenfie)
  presenting: SLS fingerd solutions (Matthew A. Lewis)
  Re: New Users plea for guidance (Joshua M Yelon)
  Re: ghostscript 2.5.2 (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
  Re: What *doesnt* work under linux (Bruce Varney)
  mail broken in 98pl6? (Ken Tompkins)

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From: pmacdona@sanjuan (Peter MacDonald)
Subject: Re: Do X-Windows use the math-coprocessor?
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 92 21:56:00 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Kevin Cummings) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Makis Maroulis) writes:
>> Hello everybody
>>
>> I have a 386DX-33Mhz without a math-coprocessor. I'm asking that question
>> because X-Windows in color mode look quite slow in my machine, so I was
>> wondering if I can improve the speed by adding a math-co, since I can't afford
>> to bye a 486.
>
>I beleive that the simple answer to that is YES!

I too agonized over this question, without seeing a definitive answer.
But I bought a 387 finally, this week, and now know the truth.
For general screen refreshes, moving windows, etc, I don't notice a big
change.  But for some games, for gs, idraw, and doc, the difference
is immense: they are now usable.

Peter.

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From: [e-mail] (Dan Newcombe)
Subject: Can't mount my hard drive... BIG PROBLEM!
Date: 7 Dec 1992 18:38:32 -0600

This afternoon I just killed my system.  I have my root file
system installed on /dev/hda2 and had just installed LILO 7.  I rebooted
and it got as far as where it should mount the drive.  At this point
the drive light stayed on for a bit, and then that was all.  I tried
booting off another disk, in case it was LILO, but that did the same.
I got out my SLS boot/root combo and tried to mount it manually and
same thing.  Please, if anyone knows how to counter this, please let
me know so I don't have to redo it all.  BTW, I am using extfs.

   Dan

Dan Newcombe
[e-mail]                        [e-mail]
[e-mail]             And others...
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
- Real programmers like vending machine popcorn.  Coders pop it in the
  microwave oven.  Real programmers use the heat given off by the cpu.
  They can tell what job is running just by listening to the rate of popping.


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From: [e-mail] (Matthew A. Lewis)
Subject: any1 find that networking is still volatile????
Date: 8 Dec 1992 00:46:19 GMT
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Matthew A. Lewis)



i have the SMC Elite 16 ethernet card with Linux SLS 0.98.5
distribution. i am very interested in discussing the
following topics with anyone interested.

1) I recompiled the kernel with all the patches in /usr/src/patches.
These are linux.tar,nfs.diffs,ramvga.cdif,tc98pl5-p[1-4].
I also changed linux/socket.h to sys/socket.h in
/usr/include/netinet/in.h. This WAS NOT mentioned in
/usr/src/linux/README, but was mentioned in /etc/inet/README.tcpip.
Is it still necessary to make this change???????
Someone should probably clarify this in the distribution.
The kernel was then recompiled without scsi or math emulation.

2) After reboot, all daemons are run. Telnetd, ftpd, named, inetd,
and mountd all work. Fingerd doesnt work. Telnet works great
for every machine except NEXT workstation. Foreign host
disconnects with 1st letter at login: prompt. Telnetd refuses
to let console on NEXT to logonto Linux machine. Mount appears
to partially work. NEXT user is able to mount my root dir
on his machine. unfortunately, I am unable to mount anything
on my machine. Error involves RPC rejection.

3) Most annoying thing seems to be that after using ftp, calls
to the nameserver here on campus are no longer made. Sometimes
it appears that named has just died. Other times it will
only let you logonto certain machines. Other machines
will just timeout when a network command is issued.

4) what the hell are mem recv start and end in
/usr/src/linux/net/tcp/Space.c??????
How should they be configured???????

5) Ftp gave me an wd8003 tranmit timed out error
today during a local ftp session.

6) before applying the NFS patches in /usr/src/patches,
ping gave REALLY nasty unrecoverable kernel panics.
Now it appears to be ok.


Again, I would love to describe these troubles to anyone
interested in bettering the networking code.
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
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From: [e-mail] (Joe Klemmer)
Subject: Conference Unix Et Linux
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1992 22:20:00 -0800

DD=>LCF=>>    I thought that FIDONet Policy v4.0 calls for
DD=>LCF=>> using ENGLISH in all
DD=>LCF=>>but designated AREAS! ! !
DD=> JK>
DD=>LCF=>Wow I always thought this was USENET :-)
DD=> JK>
DD=> JK>         Oops, your mistake.
DD=>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
DD=>Oops, foot stuck in mouth.

DD=>Nope, you're in a USENET message area--it just so happens someone is
nice
DD=>enough to gate it to FIDO so users like you can read it.  So just be
happy
DD=>get this echo and let the guy from France speak his language.  He
isn't in
DD=>so what are you going to do anyway, cut his feed?  hehehe  Take a
close loo
DD=>the taglines and  look at the ELIST next time before you stick your
foot in
DD=>your mouth. I get this message area in both USENET and FIDOnet.  The
vast
DD=>majority (dare I guess 99.9%) of all users are USENET users, not
FIDO.

        IT WAS A JOKE!  IT WAS A JOKE!        That's the one thing
about
ALL networks, there's this idea that they are the only worth while one.
I wasn't the one saying anything about "POL4" or anything, just that
there is more to life that USENET or FIDO or RIME or anything.  We all
have modems so what's the difference?

DD=>Dave
DD=>(sysop) 1:232/303              <--- My FIDOnet address

DD=>[e-mail]  <--- My Internet address

Joe
(sysop) 1:109/370                  <--- Me too.

[e-mail]     <--- Me too, too.

DD=>P.S. Guess what "Gated by {remote uucp}" means?

        It means much gibberish incomming.  Now let's drop the thing.

 * SLMR 2.1a * No reason.  I just like doin' things like that.

 * Origin: My UnKnown BBS - Alexandria VA * 703-780-6890 V.32bis
(1:109/370)


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From: [e-mail] (Gary Pfeffer)
Subject: New Users plea for guidance
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1992 14:27:20 -0800

Hi.  I have just installed Linux 097 and now have a very basic unix
like
system that as yet does nothing.  I have just read over a few letters
in
this conference and am impressed with the development that I see.

I wonder if someone could point me in a few directions.

I need to be able to get a good comm program that will run in Linux.
So
far I have no means of communications while in Linux.  Along with the
comm package I need to know of where I can turn for other applications
and utilities that run under Linux (ie, C compiler, DTP, spreadsheet
and
so on).  Are there UUCP modules written in later versions of Linux?  I
guess I should really come up to snuff and get the most recent version
of Linux as well.

Gary

-/> YaleBBS v1.09c [Nov 17, 1992]
---- Yecho v1.07a
 * Origin: The Exchange BBS - [phone] - Baltimore, MD  USA
(1:261/1161)


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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.unix.bsd
From: [e-mail] (R. Ramesh)
Subject: Re: LINUX/386BSD Hardware FAQ
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 01:07:53 GMT

Here is my configuration: It is the standard Gateway 2000 purchased a year
ago. May be this will help you to figure out missing answers.

===============================================================================

Operating System (386BSD/LINUX): LINUX 0.98pl5

===============================================================================

MotherBoard MFR: Micronics (I think, look at the first line
Processor/Speed  (386,486,sx,dx,dx2,xxMHZ): 486DX 33
Bus Architecture (ISA,EISA,VL-Bus,etc.): ISA
Memory architecture:
    70ns RAM 8 1M SIMMS
Cache architecture:
Cache Size (KB):64KB
BIOS (mfr,date):
Is this mother board configuation satisfactory? Very

===============================================================================

Disk controller MFR/model:  ?
Type (IDE,SCSI-1,SCSI-2 etc): IDE
Hardware cache? How big?: 64KB (I think)
Is this disk controller configuation satisfactory? Yes

===============================================================================

Hard disk #1 mfr/model: Western Digital Pirannah
Hard disk #1 capacity: 200MB
Sustained transfer rate: about 900K/sec
Is this disk drive satisfactory? Yes, but Noisy

===============================================================================

Hard disk #2 mfr/model: N/A
Hard disk #2 capacity:
Sustained transfer rate:
Is this disk drive satisfactory?

===============================================================================

Hard disk #3 mfr/model: N/A
Hard disk #3 capacity:
Sustained transfer rate:
Is this disk drive satisfactory?

===============================================================================

Hard disk #4 mfr/model: N/A
Hard disk #4 capacity:
Sustained transfer rate:
Is this disk drive satisfactory?

===============================================================================

Tape Drive mfr/model: N/A
Tape Drive capacity:
Is this tape drive satisfactory?

===============================================================================

CDROM Drive mfr/model: N/A
CDROM Drive capacity:
Is this CDROM drive satisfactory?

===============================================================================

Video card mfr/model: Diamond SpeedStarPLUS
resolutions supported: maximum 1024x768
How much DRAM/VRAM (which) on board?: 1M DRAM
Is this video card satifactory? NO (cannot get X to do what I want)

===============================================================================

Monitor mfr/model: NEC 5FG
Diagonal size: 17" (not really)
Resolutions supported: max 1280x1024xunlimited colors
Is this monitor satifactory? Yes

===============================================================================

Other hardware installed: None


===============================================================================

Hardware which you know will not currently work with your OS:
    Diamond video cards as they don't provide info on them.
    I think DTK mother boards.
===============================================================================


Ramesh



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From: [e-mail] (Jean Liddle)
Subject: Re: Macintosh format disks
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1992 00:35:11 GMT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jonathan M Lennox) writes:
>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (T.J.R. Cutts) writes:
>>I would love to be able to shove the mac disk into my PC and type
>>
>>mount [blah blah] -t applemac
>>
>>and copy them straight onto the Linux machine.  Are there any plans afoot to
>>allow Linux to read Mac format disks?
>
>  I would be very surprised if Linux could be made to read Mac 400k or
>800k floppies, as the low-level layout of the disks is different, and
>I don't think PC hardware could read it.  The 1440k floppies would be
>the only possibility.  (Conceivably, I suppose, the SCSI drivers could

How different are mac disks (formatwise) really?  FDFORMAT for MSDOG can
format and read 400k and 800k floppies, as well as 1.72 MB HD floppies.
Theoretically, linux should be able to do the same, with probably a great
deal more eligance than FDFORMAT/DOS.  Now understanding the macintosh
file system might be a bit more tricky ... :)

Jean.

--
Jean Liddle
Computer Science, Illinois State University
e-mail:  [e-mail]
============================================

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From: [e-mail] (Mark B. Alston)
Subject: status of QIC-80?
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 02:14:45 GMT

I recently downloaded the alpha QIC-80 driver from tsx-11.  I had no
idea what I was getting myself into.  Has anyone gotten linux to talk
to QIC-80 format tape drives?  Specifically the Colorado Jumbo 250.
Is there a mailing list I should read?  My linux system has become far
too large to feasably backup onto floppies.  And I know enough about
sys-admin to be afraid of not making backups.  Any info would be
appreciated.

--

  Mark Alston                   If you define cowardice as running away at the
  professional student          first sign of danger, screaming and tripping
  [e-mail]           and begging for mercy, then yes, Mr. Brave Man,
                                I guess I am a coward.   - Jack Handy



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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Randall)
Subject: Re: Macintosh format disks
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Jeff Randall)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 01:41:34 GMT

[e-mail] (Jonathan M Lennox) writes:
>  I would be very surprised if Linux could be made to read Mac 400k or
>800k floppies, as the low-level layout of the disks is different, and
>I don't think PC hardware could read it.  The 1440k floppies would be
>the only possibility.  (Conceivably, I suppose, the SCSI drivers could
>be convinced to understand Mac SCSI drives, but I think they'd have to
>be significantly overhauled, as of course the Mac scheme for drive
>partitioning is different.)

I have a TSR for DOS that will let you read/write Mac Disks...
I have no Mac 400 or 800K disks.. but I think it will let you read
them with this TSR..

I also know that the NeXT floppy drives (which are very similar to
PC drives, if not identical) can also read MAc disks.. as well as DOS...

--
[e-mail] (ASCII mail)           THIS IS _NOT_ CCSO'S OPINION!!!
[e-mail] (NeXT mail)      If It were, It would've had a
[e-mail] (anon)                  more important name on it. =)

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From: [e-mail] (Stephen Heilbronner)
Subject: Need settings for MS InPort mouse in Xconfig, please !!
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 00:48:57 GMT

After firing up X the mouse pointer doesn't move. I guess
it has to do with my settings in the Xconfig, but after trying
for quite some time I gave up and decided to turn to comp.os.linux.

Could somebody using a MS InPort mouse when running X pls send
me all his settings for the Xconfig file concerning the mouse.
I've tried /dev/mouse as well as /dev/bmousems,
but I'm not sure whether busmouse and inport mouse are the same ....

WHAT DO I NEED TO DO ?

BTW: Only when I set the jumper to configure the mouse as
"secondary inport" I can use with MS Windows. Maybe that's part
of my problem.

I'm using SLS 0.98p5.

Thx very much,
Stephen Heilbronner             [e-mail]

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From: "david shadoff" <[e-mail]>
Subject: ast fourport prices
Reply-To: "david shadoff" <[e-mail]>
Date: 7 Dec 92 22:29:51 EST

To: [e-mail]

HELP
INFO
GET INDEX
GET FILINDX
INFO WLDCOST

 - Dave

 /===================================================================\
|    David Shadoff       |  Usenet:  [e-mail]         |
 \===================================================================/
---
 ~ DeLuxe} 1.21 #7291 ~ Yesterday's news is tomorrow's fish & chip paper.
--
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World's Largest PCBOARD System - 416-629-7000/629-7044

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From: [e-mail] (Greenfie)
Subject: Re: Proposal for debug Xlinux.8514
Date: 8 Dec 92 01:58:21 GMT

>By the way when I first got Xlinux.8514 it complained
>that it couldn't find libc.sh.2.2.2 and libm.sh.2.2.2 .
>I thought, " OK I'll link those to the current libs".

This is your problem. Those are old libs which aren't compatible with the
ones you received with SLS.  The correct version of the 8514 server is on
tsx-11.mit.edu, in the directory /pub/linux/packages/X11/X8514, under the
name x8514new.T.Z. That one is linked with the current libraries and worked
with SLS just fine. (I'm using it with an ATI Ultra Pro.)

Good luck!

--
Larry Greenfield
greenfie(ld)@gauss.rutgers.edu
        ^^^^ for better mailing, delete these characters
--
Larry Greenfield
greenfie(ld)@gauss.rutgers.edu
        ^^^^ for better mailing, delete these characters

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From: [e-mail] (Matthew A. Lewis)
Subject: presenting: SLS fingerd solutions
Date: 8 Dec 1992 02:26:18 GMT
Reply-To: [e-mail] (Matthew A. Lewis)



twas simple enuff.

If you want remote finger requests to your machine to return
more than blank lines, either copy finger to /usr/local/bin
where fingerd is looking for it.....or recompile fingerd
so that it looks for it in /usr/bin.

Also, the man page for fingerd is not working.
Those of you with SLS might want to kindly do this:
mv /usr/man/cat8/fingerd.8.Z /usr/man/cat8/fingerd.8

now.....onto name server problems

later

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maThiEu a. LeWis                     THE NUCLEAR CLUB
cyber-mercenary   USA,Russia,Ukraine,Belarus,Kazakhstan,England,France,China
Thieves Like Us   Secret Members:S.Africa,India,Israel,Pakistan
[e-mail] Wannabees:Iraq,Iran,N.Korea,Libya,Brazil,Argentina,Taiwan,ME

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From: [e-mail] (Joshua M Yelon)
Subject: Re: New Users plea for guidance
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 02:26:03 GMT

The answers to these questions can be found in these places:

    tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/docs/FAQ
    tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/docs/*

You may also be interested in something called the "Soft Landing System"
(SLS for short).  Basically, it's a semicomplete collection of packages
for linux.  See tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/SLS.


------------------------------

From: [e-mail] (Andrew J. Cosgriff !)
Subject: Re: ghostscript 2.5.2
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 01:41:01 GMT

[e-mail] (Joerg Pommnitz) writes:

>Yesterday I've decided to do some other things than hacking under Linux.
>So I tried to start with gs 2.5.2.
>It compiled just fine (not a single warning !!!), but after installation
>I couldn't start it.
>It writes

>Initializing ...

>and then a lot of error messages (don't know exactly, but something like
>Unrecoverable error:Unrecoverable error:... ).

>If somebody has solved this problem, please let me know.

No, but it just happened to me when I reinstalled it out of the tarred
binaries...I haven't used it since about 98p4, so perhaps it was another
victim of th p4/p5 changes ?

I'd appreciate a fix, as I've just been told it's the only way to print my
TeX files on an epson 24 pin (I hope there IS a dvi driver out there
somewhere...)


Enjoy !

Cos !
--
===============================================================================
 * Andrew J. Cosgriff ! *                   #include <std_witty_quote.h>
#define HERE cc.monash.edu.au               #include <std_disclaimer.h>
Hassle me at :      [e-mail] ; [e-mail] ; [e-mail]

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From: [e-mail] (Bruce Varney)
Subject: Re: What *doesnt* work under linux
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1992 01:57:58 GMT


>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar) writes:
>>[e-mail] (Crunchy Frog) writes:
>>>and the rest).  What I want to know is, is there any software that people
>>>just *can't* get up and running under Linux?  I ask this because there
>>
>>                      "emulation of protected-mode stuff".
>>What this means is:
>>      Even though there's a DOS emulation package, and even if it were
>>      to be made to *work* for more than just small *.COM programs, you
>>      just can't (reasonably) emulate operation in 386 protected mode.
>>This is due to the design of the processor chip itself.

        Then how can OS/2 emulate Dos protected mode stuff?

                Bruce

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From: [e-mail] (Ken Tompkins)
Subject: mail broken in 98pl6?
Date: 8 Dec 92 02:29:58 GMT

Since I have compiled the 98pl6 kernel I get a segmentation
error when I try to use mail. Anyone else seen this and, if
so, what is the correction?

ken tompkins
stockton state college
[e-mail]

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